Ten Thousand Years of Hare Krishna

This conversation between Srila Prabhupada and the poet Allen Ginsberg took place on May 13, 1969, in Columbus, Ohio.

Srila Prabhupada: Lord Buddha is accepted as an incarnation of Krishna. This is stated in the Bhagavatam. He is accepted as the ninth incarnation. Baladeva is the eighth. And the tenth is awaiting.

Allen Ginsberg: Kalki.

Srila Prabhupada: Kalki.

Allen Ginsberg: Now, what is Kalki’s nature?

Srila Prabhupada: That is described in the Bhagavatam. He will come just like a prince, with royal dress and sword, on horseback ­– simply killing, no preaching. There will be no brain to understand God.

Allen Ginsberg: There will be no brain to understand God?

Srila Prabhupada: People will be so dull. It requires a brain to understand . . .

Allen Ginsberg: So Kalki comes at the end of the Kali-yuga?

Srila Prabhupada: Yes. Then Satya-yuga will begin.

Allen Ginsberg: Which is?

Srila Prabhupada: Satya-yuga is the pious age. People will be pious, truthful, long-living.

Allen Ginsberg: Are those the people that will remain, or are they from whatever new creation comes out of the destruction?

Srila Prabhupada: All the miscreants will be killed. And there must be some pious. They remain.

Allen Ginsberg: Do you think of this in terms of a historical event that will occur in the lifetime of your disciples?

Srila Prabhupada: No. This will happen at least 400,000 years from now. So at that time my disciples will be with Krishna. [Laughter.]

Devotees: Haribol!

Srila Prabhupada: And those who will not follow them, they will see the fun – how they are being killed.

Allen Ginsberg: Will people still be chanting Hare Krishna in 400,000 years?

Srila Prabhupada: No. Hare Krishna will be finished within ten thousand years. There will be no more Hare Krishna.

Allen Ginsberg: Ah. So what will be left?

Srila Prabhupada: Nothing. I’ll kill you and eat you, and you shall kill me. You shall eat me. That will be left.

Allen Ginsberg: After ten thousand years?

Srila Prabhupada: Yes, there will be no grain, no milk, no sugar, no fruit. So I will have to eat you, and you will have to eat me. Full facility for meat-eating. Full facility. Krishna is very kind. He’ll give you facility: “All right. Why cows and calves? You take your own son. Yes. Eat nicely.” Just like serpents, snake – they eat their own offspring. Also tigers. So this will happen. And there will be no brain to understand [God], no preachers, nothing. And then Krishna will come: “All right, let Me kill you so that you will be saved.”

Allen Ginsberg: But you see it as actually a historical thing of ten thousand years for the chanting?

Srila Prabhupada: Now it will increase.

Allen Ginsberg: Until?

Srila Prabhupada: Up to ten thousand years.

Allen Ginsberg: And then?

Srila Prabhupada: Then diminish.

Allen Ginsberg: So what is the purpose right now?

Srila Prabhupada: People will take advantage of this up to ten thousand years.

Allen Ginsberg: So this is like the last rope, the last gasp.

Srila Prabhupada: Yes. So the sooner we take shelter – shelter of Krishna consciousness – the better.

Allen Ginsberg: When did this yuga begin?

Srila Prabhupada: Kali-yuga began five thousand years ago.

Allen Ginsberg: Where is all this information?

Srila Prabhupada: In the Vedic literature, the Bhagavatam.

Allen Ginsberg: It has the detailed analysis of what goes on in the Kali-yuga?

Srila Prabhupada: Oh, yes. I will read it to you sometime. In the Twelfth Canto, the Kali-yuga descriptions are there. And you will find that all the descriptions are coming true. Just like there is one statement, svikara eva udvahe: “Marriage will be performed simply by agreement.” Now that is being done. And lavanyam kesha-dharanam: “People will think that they have become very beautiful by keeping long hair.” That is coming true.

Allen Ginsberg: In the Bhagavata Purana is there also provision for the Chaitanya cult?

Srila Prabhupada: Oh, yes. We have given that in our book Teachings of Lord Chaitanya.

Allen Ginsberg: Within this period of ten thousand years, only those who hear Krishna’s name and worship Krishna by chanting . . .

Srila Prabhupada: They become liberated and go back home, back to Godhead.

Allen Ginsberg: And everybody else gets involved deeper and deeper in the yuga.

Srila Prabhupada: Yes, yes. So if anyone believes in the shastras [scriptures], he should take to this Krishna consciousness. That is intelligence – to take advantage of the authorized scriptures.